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		<title>By: Trey</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH! And I&#039;m not a great writer, not yet.  I still have years of practice ahead of me.  But damn it, I will be a great writer!  The gods will read my prose and weep for joy.  Okay maybe not the gods, but someone will!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH! And I&#8217;m not a great writer, not yet.  I still have years of practice ahead of me.  But damn it, I will be a great writer!  The gods will read my prose and weep for joy.  Okay maybe not the gods, but someone will!!</p>
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		<title>By: Trey</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m generally not a reader of women&#039;s literature or romantic comedy.  Not that I dislike it, just that I have hundreds of other books I&#039;d rather read.

I have a certain amount of empathy for this blog, however, and the plight of this genre of writing.  I am a fantasy writer, myself, and the same critical abuse clouds my genre&#039;s authors&#039; skies as well.

A book, a novel, a story, stands on its own merit.  Genre classifications are overrated, and people who think certain genres are 100% crappy literature are ignorant and negligent of the truth.  Luckily for fantasy, the emergence of George R.R. Martin and Patrick Rothfuss, along with many other respectable, intelligent, original authors, are bringing fantasy fiction literature some critical success.  I hope that one day my own work can continue to bring fantasy from the depths of mindless fodder to the light of respectability.  

But at the end of the day, what the critics think isn&#039;t important.  What matters is that someone enjoyed my story, or your story, Lani, and damned be anyone who says otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m generally not a reader of women&#8217;s literature or romantic comedy.  Not that I dislike it, just that I have hundreds of other books I&#8217;d rather read.</p>
<p>I have a certain amount of empathy for this blog, however, and the plight of this genre of writing.  I am a fantasy writer, myself, and the same critical abuse clouds my genre&#8217;s authors&#8217; skies as well.</p>
<p>A book, a novel, a story, stands on its own merit.  Genre classifications are overrated, and people who think certain genres are 100% crappy literature are ignorant and negligent of the truth.  Luckily for fantasy, the emergence of George R.R. Martin and Patrick Rothfuss, along with many other respectable, intelligent, original authors, are bringing fantasy fiction literature some critical success.  I hope that one day my own work can continue to bring fantasy from the depths of mindless fodder to the light of respectability.  </p>
<p>But at the end of the day, what the critics think isn&#8217;t important.  What matters is that someone enjoyed my story, or your story, Lani, and damned be anyone who says otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Amie Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Amie Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else to note is that Dickens and Austen weren&#039;t &quot;Dickens and Austen&quot; when they wrote their books.  I&#039;m sure they no more planned on becoming the literary icons they ended up being than any current writer does :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else to note is that Dickens and Austen weren&#8217;t &#8220;Dickens and Austen&#8221; when they wrote their books.  I&#8217;m sure they no more planned on becoming the literary icons they ended up being than any current writer does <img src='http://www.storywonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on the extent to which something is real &quot;chick lit&quot; versus a &quot;shopping &amp; f*cking&quot; novel. The former is about a woman&#039;s self-realization and resolution of herself: this is what I want, this is what&#039;s important to me, I am going to be brave enough to go get it. The latter is somewhat about those things, but it can be hard to discern through the layers of description about what people are wearing and buying. I was recently re-reading Judith Krantz, and while she has some good stuff in her novels, they would be about 30% shorter if she&#039;d spend less time describing how people look and what they own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on the extent to which something is real &#8220;chick lit&#8221; versus a &#8220;shopping &amp; f*cking&#8221; novel. The former is about a woman&#8217;s self-realization and resolution of herself: this is what I want, this is what&#8217;s important to me, I am going to be brave enough to go get it. The latter is somewhat about those things, but it can be hard to discern through the layers of description about what people are wearing and buying. I was recently re-reading Judith Krantz, and while she has some good stuff in her novels, they would be about 30% shorter if she&#8217;d spend less time describing how people look and what they own.</p>
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		<title>By: jenifer</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>jenifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap! I am a great writer! (Sorry, Lani)

But as much as I love the roller-coaster vs. Picasso comparison, I can&#039;t help feel that it calls women&#039;s fiction and romance &quot;just a roller-coaster&quot;. And it&#039;s not. It&#039;s not just fun, let&#039;s go along for the ride, whee! thrills. There&#039;s more to it than that. When you look at relationships and happiness in a novel&#039;s storyline, you look at the core of people, and that&#039;s always big! No one has to die or be really, really sad for us to learn something useful about real people in the real world. I do completely understand the value of entertainment for entertainment&#039;s sake, but I also like to think there&#039;s entertainment within things that mean more than a mere roller-coaster ride, and that we can find that in women&#039;s fiction, romance, chick-lit, you name it. I also find it in romantic-suspense, thrillers, horror, etc. It spans genre.

And I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t comment on the original article. I went there, and it was very, very long and I was very, very tired and planning for a trip out of town. Next time . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap! I am a great writer! (Sorry, Lani)</p>
<p>But as much as I love the roller-coaster vs. Picasso comparison, I can&#8217;t help feel that it calls women&#8217;s fiction and romance &#8220;just a roller-coaster&#8221;. And it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s not just fun, let&#8217;s go along for the ride, whee! thrills. There&#8217;s more to it than that. When you look at relationships and happiness in a novel&#8217;s storyline, you look at the core of people, and that&#8217;s always big! No one has to die or be really, really sad for us to learn something useful about real people in the real world. I do completely understand the value of entertainment for entertainment&#8217;s sake, but I also like to think there&#8217;s entertainment within things that mean more than a mere roller-coaster ride, and that we can find that in women&#8217;s fiction, romance, chick-lit, you name it. I also find it in romantic-suspense, thrillers, horror, etc. It spans genre.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t comment on the original article. I went there, and it was very, very long and I was very, very tired and planning for a trip out of town. Next time . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Beki</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Beki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand her wanting to update due to changing times.  The mss I&#039;m about to revise is based on a woman flipping a house for profit and I&#039;m a-thinkin it might look a tad too easy in my piece.  BUT the problem as I see it is her being so damn down on her own writing.  What the heck?  If she isn&#039;t writing something she thinks is great, why should I shell out to read it?  And no wonder she&#039;s getting dumped on in that way.  Though the people dumping on her are, obviously, nits.

I mean, I was once a sniveling, snotty English major who saw no value in (eek) commercial fiction.  Then I turned twenty.  Seriously, we do indeed need to quit bashing our own genre, not to mention our own gender, when what comes of it is not what we might do ourselves.  If you can write better, do it.  But don&#039;t expect others to write and value the same stuff you do.  Duh.

And I am a GREAT writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand her wanting to update due to changing times.  The mss I&#8217;m about to revise is based on a woman flipping a house for profit and I&#8217;m a-thinkin it might look a tad too easy in my piece.  BUT the problem as I see it is her being so damn down on her own writing.  What the heck?  If she isn&#8217;t writing something she thinks is great, why should I shell out to read it?  And no wonder she&#8217;s getting dumped on in that way.  Though the people dumping on her are, obviously, nits.</p>
<p>I mean, I was once a sniveling, snotty English major who saw no value in (eek) commercial fiction.  Then I turned twenty.  Seriously, we do indeed need to quit bashing our own genre, not to mention our own gender, when what comes of it is not what we might do ourselves.  If you can write better, do it.  But don&#8217;t expect others to write and value the same stuff you do.  Duh.</p>
<p>And I am a GREAT writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typos. Oh, the typos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typos. Oh, the typos.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in one of those moods so I&#039;ll head over and say my peace once I read over the comments. I think the problem with her article is that she re-wrote the story based on how &quot;fluffy&quot; it would be now and days. I remember when the economy started taking a downturn, a stockmarket wife was doing an interview. She was complaining that they had into a condo or something else, not monstrosity they wanted to move into.

I wholeheartedly admit I&#039;m judgmental. This woman was complainging about not moving into a manson, but a large condo because of hard times. Not that she couldn&#039;t feed her kids. Or that she didn&#039;t know where the next paycheck was coming from. Or that she couldn&#039;t afford to take her kids to the doctor, because of lack of insurance. But she had to move into what she considers a small condo instead of a monstrosity of a home.

I wish those were my problems. On some level I think the author should have let her story be, if that&#039;s the story that needed to be told. If that&#039;s what the characters problems truly were. 

On the other hand, yeah, I probably couldn&#039;t relate with those elements.

But the bottom line is Women&#039;s Fiction, commerical fiction in general isn&#039;t about &quot;realistic&quot; that&#039;s why I read it. I have more than enough real life to deal with. And, if the author is really good, then it doesn&#039;t matter how realistic the story is. I&#039;m still going to get something from that novel. I think too many people think romance or women&#039;s fiction doesn&#039;t have depth. 

I think that&#039;s my 50 cents worth.

Also, I&#039;m a freaking great writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in one of those moods so I&#8217;ll head over and say my peace once I read over the comments. I think the problem with her article is that she re-wrote the story based on how &#8220;fluffy&#8221; it would be now and days. I remember when the economy started taking a downturn, a stockmarket wife was doing an interview. She was complaining that they had into a condo or something else, not monstrosity they wanted to move into.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly admit I&#8217;m judgmental. This woman was complainging about not moving into a manson, but a large condo because of hard times. Not that she couldn&#8217;t feed her kids. Or that she didn&#8217;t know where the next paycheck was coming from. Or that she couldn&#8217;t afford to take her kids to the doctor, because of lack of insurance. But she had to move into what she considers a small condo instead of a monstrosity of a home.</p>
<p>I wish those were my problems. On some level I think the author should have let her story be, if that&#8217;s the story that needed to be told. If that&#8217;s what the characters problems truly were. </p>
<p>On the other hand, yeah, I probably couldn&#8217;t relate with those elements.</p>
<p>But the bottom line is Women&#8217;s Fiction, commerical fiction in general isn&#8217;t about &#8220;realistic&#8221; that&#8217;s why I read it. I have more than enough real life to deal with. And, if the author is really good, then it doesn&#8217;t matter how realistic the story is. I&#8217;m still going to get something from that novel. I think too many people think romance or women&#8217;s fiction doesn&#8217;t have depth. </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s my 50 cents worth.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m a freaking great writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie C</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap, sorry ma! :P

I love the rollcoaster/museum comparison - spot on. I actually had a similar thought with twinkies and broccoli *after* I posted the above all over the internets... ah well. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll have ample opportunity to dust this one off and rework in the future ((grumble)).

And I am a FANTASTIC writer. Even if only my writing partner knows that for sure right now. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap, sorry ma! <img src='http://www.storywonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I love the rollcoaster/museum comparison &#8211; spot on. I actually had a similar thought with twinkies and broccoli *after* I posted the above all over the internets&#8230; ah well. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll have ample opportunity to dust this one off and rework in the future ((grumble)).</p>
<p>And I am a FANTASTIC writer. Even if only my writing partner knows that for sure right now. <img src='http://www.storywonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chelle</title>
		<link>http://www.storywonk.com/?p=141&#038;cpage=1#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, one thing that never seems to be taken into account it that museums and roller coasters are both fun and both have their place.  Enjoying one doesn&#039;t mean that you can&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t enjoy the other.  Or, even that one has more or less value than the other.  Both are experiences that are worthwhile in their own right.  Enjoying roller coasters doesn&#039;t mean you must not have the intellect to enjoy a Picasso.

I read literature, I read chick lit, I read romance, I read non-fiction.  Why can&#039;t all be seen as worthwhile in their own right?  Why do we have to pick?  

Life is a banquet we should enjoy.  Have dessert first!  Whatever dessert you may choose on that particular day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, one thing that never seems to be taken into account it that museums and roller coasters are both fun and both have their place.  Enjoying one doesn&#8217;t mean that you can&#8217;t/shouldn&#8217;t enjoy the other.  Or, even that one has more or less value than the other.  Both are experiences that are worthwhile in their own right.  Enjoying roller coasters doesn&#8217;t mean you must not have the intellect to enjoy a Picasso.</p>
<p>I read literature, I read chick lit, I read romance, I read non-fiction.  Why can&#8217;t all be seen as worthwhile in their own right?  Why do we have to pick?  </p>
<p>Life is a banquet we should enjoy.  Have dessert first!  Whatever dessert you may choose on that particular day.</p>
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